Thanks again everyone. Much better now. I took this thread and printed it out to keep on the wall next to my pc. It helped a lot. AgentSmith: from what everyone has said, I guess I did get off easy. Flak: I tend to agree with FWTempest also. Maybe I'll give it a try at some other time. This image was a huge learning project, and I had reached a level that I could live with for now. My terrain work isn't the greatest and I've been working on another project with terrains, off and on, for about a month now. TCSP: Yep they are. To best view them turn the bightness and contrast on your monitor to "0" and you will see the biggest, funniest bird of all time. Later:)