Aeryk, Glad it helped, learning more about this stuff is cool. (At least that's why I keep showing up) Now this one was fun to build! HG, The bump maps didn't go deep enough. But I found away to create the illusion by mapping to the highlight & color channels. I'd post the image of the shader tray but it's really deep and wouldn't fit on the screen. I can post the shader later if you're interested in it. It wouldn't be until this evening or tomorrow morning though. The job is getting in the way of whats important again! :) Mark