Perhaps it could be the hidden agenda of these people? Maybe you all better send notes of apology and affirmation to Jack and Edarsenal right away? Letters of thanks and encouragement. Letters saying how much you appreciate them and their efforts for you, before the idea of "I am just so tired it would be easier to shut it all down than take this" enters their heads. And the heads of all the working, creating staff who gives you the tit you want to suck dry. I myself am a simpler person of course, than to shut down. Despite various tempests in teapots over the years, I never shut down Cairo. (Though it is to be added it has now been shut down as of last night to be transferred to a new site for any seeking it.) Even when there were cliques of haters around wrecking things for everyone. I am too simple and too pigheaded to ever really shutdown. I just siteban those who make it clear to all that their intent is to be twinks. What is a twink? It is a person who destroys everyone else's good time by taking so much of the staff's time they cannot get their work done, and thus unfairly depriving good people that we are here to work for of our work. Amongst other things. Since this interesting thread has now devolved to yet another way that our clique of haters can blaspheme the workers, I may choose to move it to my forum, The Store Forum, since I was "hired" to handle and wade hip deep into your hatred. The average Poser Fan here is just not interested nor should they have to have their bboard cluttered with it. Hrmm this hate... such animosity toward those who sustain and build your "free" community for you to gain the advantages of. Why do you Allerleirauh feel such venom and spite? And you PJF? And this other venomous person, Shaerra? And you TazmaniaK? Do you believe your acrimony and hatred builds community spirit? Do you believe your slander and libel motivates the creators (and YES, we ARE creators) to go on giving you products for free? Who ARE you really? Willow and friends? No matter who you are, you are in fact the forces of Entropy and World Destruction. I know you. I have for some time been preparing an interesting statistical analysis to privately share with the staff who are feeling a bit down... those who work their fingers to the bones for you for free. Those who have had the audacity to choose to sell their better products to try to support not only this community's overhead costs, but also maybe buy their kids a gallon of milk. I was not in fact going to do anything save send it out to a few who are feeling your hatred and heat, as a cheer up note. Now perhaps it is time instead to think of fighting fire with fire, and publishing my statistics. I will post them in a second posting after this one called STATISTICS. Now. Enough said. I do not have time for this. Nor does anyone here who has the ambition of providing this community with a store run by people you know and stocked by things made by people you know. Allerleirauh, if it will comfort your soul any be assured I will never download anything of yours that you find time and energy to put into free stuff again. I have now deleted the one thing of yours I did choose once to clutter my hard drive with. I am good enough to make my own blasted transparency maps. Really. You wanted a war, you have now got one babe. Take me on. That said, I tender my voluntary resignation to Jack and to Edarsenal if they wish to accept it, since I doubt they need someone who won't take your shit working for them and bringing them even more grief on top of the grief they are getting from you all, and the other massive issues we as staff face in getting this moving. Issues most of you haters are not even aware of nor need to be, since we took the job of doing that worrying and work for you. I won't take your shit. I myself would siteban rather than take shit off twinks. If they do not choose to accept my resignation, I shall go on working on what matters to me, an efficient community of contributors on all levels, staffed by a responsive and capable ecommerce staff, coded to meet your needs, and to provide you with alternatives. Liz Birdsong hbg@kreative.net