Bast- Gee, chill out (and all that stuff!) I think we all get too hyper at times on discussions. I think STORM and some others have a point, but some of them are also living in a dream world where people put lots of effort into stuff they give away for free. Jack and all you guys do an excellent job here, just ignore all the whinning about "the store logo being too big" and all that. We all have to realise that if Poser is going to have a future is is going to be because Zygote (and Renderosity, and mabe even me) make money off stuff for Poser, which builds intrest and builds on itself until the point the new guys will say - "gee, there is money being spent, let's come out with Poser 5!" Otherwise we get to be a closed-off, dead-end hobby loop, like the people that still play around with Timex-Sinclair computers. But Allie is certainly right too, why is Millie so butt-ugly? Gee, and how do I fit into your table?