I think the way V3 looks compared to V2 will always be a personal opinion for the most, but my personal opinion is she is worlds above V1 or 2, infact a greater improvement than V1 or was over the p4 woman, we are now at the point of photo realism within poser because of her..as for joints shes better but but not a great deal coz i think the way poser does joints holds us back more than the model itself.....i find making clothes for her much much easier, i moved to using pwizard when it first came out (for creating the cr2) and using that on a V3 item i would say at least 50% of the time there is no need to adjust the joints where as on V1 or 2 you still need to fix every joint, also if you make an item for V3 it only takes a few minutes to adjust for V2 (plus cutting time) as its only her armpits, back and crotch (for pants) that stick through...As Elgyfu points out, things change, backward compatabilty is good but only to a point, i think we may be almost at the point where it could hold us back from huge improvents in the software, the cr2 is a good example...of course all this is a personal opinion, one mans candy is another mans poison but if i win the lottery i'll be buying all PW members a copy of V3 thats how much i like her ;o).....Steve