Diane- Not only do you need the P4 patch to fix some potential problems (like C exception errors), but you also need to make sure that you have the latest Victoria update. This is a free download .cr2 file from Zygote's site (follow link on front page). I'm guessing that the reason that you're having problems with the shoulders, forearms and wrists is because of this. (On the last update to Vicki we adjusted the xtran of her collars groups; the clothing fits this adjustment.) As far as the black groups on her wrists: the Poser4 patch should fix this I think (because I can't replicate the problem on a patched version). Just so you know, however, some of the clothing items have groups intended to be invisible (lHand, rFoot, abdomen, etc). Although they should all read in invisible, if you can see them (accidentally map them, etc.) you can turn visibility on that body part off, or you can select the "skin" material group for the clothing item and turn transparency min and max to 100%. Hope this helps. If any of you run into problems (or even potential problems and/or things that need clarification) please let Zygote know. BTW, great looking outfits! I'm excited to see what you all do with these clothes. In our meetings over this product I pushed for easy versatility - transparency and morphs, and promised the management that they would increase the value of the product enough to justify the development. Glad to see you using it! -Chad Smith Zygote Media Group