LOL, I am a force of world destruction. Thank you Bast, for that and the other amusing remarks (but didn't someone say something about civility ruling?...). I can assure you I'm just me, and have no association with anyone else in your imaginary clique. I have no secret identity, and I can tell you that I am as suspicious of community leaders who operate a 'personality empire' as I am of those who take on an overtly commercial mantle. As for your statistics, they are like so many other sets of statistics generated for the purpose of backing up a preconceived standpoint. They are highly selective, and in that sense they do lie. It possibly says something about the mindset that is developing around here that your stats refer only to material items. Those who are good at making things are quite likely to be high contributors to both the store and freestuff. I can't speak for anyone else in your list of venomous, spiteful haters, but I'm afraid my creative abilities are not remotely approaching the standards that others might be interested in. I'm only really able to offer limited advice in written form. There is more to contributing to this place than offering things in freestuff. So I'm afraid in that respect your statistics are irrelevant. To make your statistics more accurate and more relevant, you should include contributions to freestuff by members of this community who don't feel the need to sell anything at all. Of course, a normal webpage as used in these forums isn't long enough to accommodate all those individuals... If you also included those contributions that don't consist of material items, you stats would be even more accurate - and even more difficult to present. Bast wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> Since this interesting thread has now devolved to yet another way that our clique of haters can blaspheme the workers... <<<<<<<<<<<< I'm afraid this thread just sat there asking for a contrary viewpoint (and those who choose to express contrary viewpoints do not deserve to be labelled haters and conspirators). Personally, in the context of this place having a shop stuck on its back, I found STORM's comments about Zygote's clear and upfront commercial enterprise to be borderline outrageous, even allowing for the humorous presentation. Right, Im off to blow a few world landmarks to bits and pieces.