fls13 states: "If you think that the face and cloth rooms are bells and whistles, that's unfortunate for you" I say...that's a pretty "arrogant" comment! :) Look...I do this for a hobby. Frankly I thought when I purchased P5 that the face room might be a nice feature. The problem: unless you're going to use Don or Judy, it's not much use,not to mention the other reasons I cited for it's "not ready for prime time" status. The cloth room is a wonderful concept and I believe those who do a lot of animation were looking forward to it. But from what I read, the animation capabiliites of P5 are problematic. Both of these and the hair room offer tremendous potential, but they were not, in my opinion, ready for general public release in a software program that promised to be "drop dead easy to use" (CL's "marketing hype", not my words). The person who started this thread asked for opinions....I gave mine based on my use of the software, my status as a hobbiest and my personal opinion. If fls13 has positive reasons why the poster should spend money to upgrade to a program that still has a lot of unresolved issues,other than his first statement: "Get P5. It's cheap now and lots of fun. Don't buy into the negative hype. You'll love it" or his arrogant comment about my observations, then fls13 should state what those reasons are. I'd love to hear those comments myself!