What question? There really wasn't a question, it was a statement (and plea, I guess). The second message was still sort of a comment. As for using multiple complex figures, my solution is LW or C4D. ;0) Not only can they handle much more complexity with less bogdown, but rendering times are ridiculously fast compared to Poser (I rendered a 1024x768 image with a Don character using a high-res texture in 9 seconds in C4D - try that in Poser). I'm working on a plugin for extracting the bones from the Poser character files to rig them in C4D. Greenbriar Studios has already released a LW plugin that does the same. At some point, this will make using Poser somewhat moot, except that you will still need to own Poser to use the plugins. BYS