Marque, becuase the manual weighs five pounds and has no searchable index? grin I prefer the PDF myself, actually. It's faster to find the part that I'm having trouble with. Renegade, Welcome to the madhouse. Poser is a very cool program, but it takes a long time to get comfortable. Chanson gave some very good advice, working your way slowly into more complicated things. And remember if you get stuck, the Poser Backroom here has a FAQ, and there are mnay begginner level tutorials around to help you out. Good Luck! Lyrra