"I'm willing to bet any amount of money that if the t-shirt texture called Bush some despicable name or somesuch, most of the complainers in this thread would prolly be giggling and downloading, and not demanding the removal of the item." Then you'd loose. At least as far as I'm concerned. The point I see here is just "I wish you'd discuss these things in the OT forum and do not try to sneak the debate in the free stuff area". And this opinion stands whatever the message is. For instance the T shirt "texture" which was posted today and states "you don't have to love Bush to love America". I did not download it and I'm just as uncomfortable with it as I was with the "free stuff post" that started this thread. But then again, it's just my opinion, the opinion that really matters is that of the moderators, not mine. Besides, I can't see anyone in this thread asking for the removal of any free stuff, and I certainly wouldn't have : "I don't agree with what you say, but I'll fight to let you have the right to say it" Voltaire