Oh, Cindy, Chad from Zygote posted to my first clothes post before I patched. He said we needed both the patch and the latest Vicky upgrade which I just dled but haven't installed. Jim Burton and I have agreed that there seems to be more 'fussing' with scaling, making parts invisible, etc., than with P4. I'm wondering if this is because of the myriad of options and vertices with both the clothes and Vick. BTW, in having to do that 'fussing' I discovered I could make the thighs and calves 'fuller' which I did here. LOVE this model. Diane B