Now I'm blushing, Dr. Geep! I didn't want to put the blame on you, because most of the more sophisticated tricks I know about Poser I've learned from you. The reason can easily be seen from your "One Page Tut" above - it's simple and exhaustive - and fun to read! As an avid collector of you formidable tutorials, Yours truly Willy PS: I'm in all of your classes from the beginning. But, being the most educated pupil I am, I keep silence 'til the end. (Hrm,umpf)