I work for you Jack, and I am proud of it. All of us Moderators and Admins are proud to be here and we all feel your pain and share your stress because we are like a family! I apologize for sticking my nose in here cause I am not sure I should. You and Ed and Trav are the ones that make this place but we help out as much as we can. But even with the minor roles we all play to help you keep this place happy and "alive" we can still feel the anguish and the stress that you feel. Much like Traveler, I too had a letter all typed up and ready to be posted. Things have gotten so bad around here lately that a lot of us are at our wits end at what to do, and we hate to see you put so much into something and get so very much stress from it all. It affects all of us because we ARE close to you, (no hot showers please). I now present you Jack, with the notice that I have been pondering posting here.... To the Members...Perhaps it's time we shut the place down? It is not my place to say this, nor my responsibility, but it is on my mind as well as on the minds of all the others that take pride to bring you this place and make it as comfortable and resourceful as possible for each and everyone that spends time here. I may well lose my place here after posting this for I have NO permission to write this here. At this point I don't care because I am tired of all the hurt I see around me. We have all worked real hard here, and we continue to work hard; so very hard that we very often forget that we all have our own lives, our own jobs away from here, our own families that love us and miss us because we spend sometimes way too much time busting our asses on the forum. And then we sometimes wonder. We wonder just how much of our own Art we have neglected, how many creations we could have accomplished, how many countless pages of galleries and characters and props we could all have nurtured from our own talents if we had not sacrificed our time to all the folks here and this place they visit day after day. Heck, some of us have neglected poser and bryce for so long we have forgotten some of the more intricate functions! A lot of us have put aside great chunks of our lives and our learning to be here and give our all for this place to be. I could have learned Rhino, I would build in 3DMax, probably create morphs in Amorphium and realize the wonders of Canoma but, instead, I am here, along with many others, to help make this place a dream come true for all the folks that come here. We don't ask for much. You don't have to kiss our butt, you don't need a website, you don't have to have talent, you don't even have to have poser. You don't have to speak English and you don't have to worry about going anywhere else as well as here, we have NO problem with that. You can flame us, you can pain us. We might fight back if you are wrong but if your right we can also swallow our pride and take it with a grain of salt. When Jack first came here this place was very little more than a foundation that once was; a crumbling mass of memories that most would have rather forgotten. With his persistance and with a vision he managed to slowly build, and even though it was the struggle of his life, he endured, and he scraped until finally, through all the clouds of never ending contraversy and deceit, it seems this place is once again thriving and even more a place for Artists and Creators to enjoy than anyone could have imagined. Now, finally having succeeded in becoming the playground for so many GREAT TALENTED people of all shapes and sizes and forms, NOW we wonder if Renderosity will survive. We are all very tired. We, the people that work WITH Jack to give all our BEST possible for this place so you can all enjoy it wonder? We wonder if it would be better to just let this place die? The saddest thing is that it is also something Jack wonders :-( This may well be my last posting as one of Jack's helpers, if so I must say it has been a sincere PLEASURE to work with such a man. He is not only talented and intelligent but he harbors a heart and he has feelings; a rare treat that is seldom shown by someone that is a businessman by nature; but the most important thing I will miss about Jack is his honesty and "telling it like it is attitude". Most everyone I have ever met at the forums knows me as someone that speaks from my heart, (many times too much), and through my heart I tell you now that Jack is a wonderful man with awsome ideas and most importantly he is a FRIEND to all!! Traveler and all the others that are here that I have learned to respect and cherish as a family, if I must go I will miss you all very much. I am so sorry to write all this but my conscience will not let it go. If this notice will be my final word then it is my sacrifice to all of you. Yours Truly, Peter Radart/3DSprite