As for everyone else here and for Ikyoto, 3DSprite, Bonestructure and everyone else... Yes, I am tired, this "Us VS. Them" bullshit helps to make me feel such... BUT...but, I refuse to let these pitiful people win, nor do I expect or want any payment from any of you. That isn't why I took over this place, to make money. I took over this place to make this a Community again. Yes, I would like to be able to make money to help keep this place open and free for everyone that walks through these virtual doors and I will be spending the next few days (while getting Renderotica on it's new server) trying to come up with a way in which we can do so. NO ONE and I MEAN NO ONE should get nothing for their hard earned cash!!!! Because of this, I don't want to do a donation thing... instead, help me people, come up with a way that we can utilize all of the WONDERFUL TALENTED ARTISTS HERE...!! Help me come up with ideas that will take some of your work and get it OUT THERE TO THE PUBLIC not just between the friends and family here, BUT TO THE WORLD!!! Someone very special to me suggested Calenders and Posters which can be printed and sold with the profit being split for the Artist to make money for their work also!! That is what I want, that is all that I have EVER wanted for this place, that YOU ALL get blessed in some way for the WONDERFUL TALENT that I wish I had... Please, if you have any ideas, post them in the NEW FORUM called COMMUNITY IDEAS!! Thank you everyone for the show of support, all we want is something that EVERYONE here can benefit from!!! Jack