Ikyoto, I think you are wrong to leave--other than you don't want to read the crap anymore. I have read the whole thing and find it pretty disgusting, quite honestly. However, leaving won't really accomplish anything for the crew and will cut you off from those of us who really enjoy your posts. I hope you reconsider. Some of the 'back room' stuff is a bit mystifying, but I consider myself a loyal part of this community--not walking 'in lock step' and feeling free to disagree if and when its important, but until something 'dire' occurs, I support whatever it takes to keep the site afloat (with hopes that everyone involved can benefit--Jack, Ed and the staff need to have a life away from here and NOT be financially at risk). I just hope we can get back to doing what this site does best. I left the 'other site' in protest because members were doing and saying things that offended me mightily and one COULD NOT respond. Here there are folks saying and doing things that offend me mightily, BUT----I CAN respond--and do. Just fire off your displeasure and anger and support these guys by continuing to be part of the community--OKAY??? (pleeeeeeeeeeease G). Diane B (picnic)