My 2 cents worth: It is almost certain that Bryce is for sale, but my guess is that it will have to be for a considerable sum. While it seems that corel is not spending any time or effort supporting the product, and as we have heard the development and management of the product have gone, then it is languishing. But Corel does need money, but a hundred thousand will not make a huge difference to them. They wil probably need considerably more, (and in US dollars too!). For them to get attorneys and all the legal stuff in gear will cost them a lot, and my guess the only people who can get this together would be Doc Mojo with the help of some deep pockets. It needs real entusiatic management and engineering, with a real marketing savvy. No one will make any money making a version 6 if it does not get a huge audience of first time buyers. Upgrades to us guys will never make enough to make it profitable, unless they cahrge us $200 dollars or something more. So there has to be a way to reach a whole new audience. This will probably mean reworking the application from scratch, with new code and a new interface and somehow making it either dumb enough for a lot of people new to graphics or put some real Web utility into it. Problem is, this is not the Bryce we want for the most part. I do have ideas on how to make it a worthwhile application, as probably do most of you. But it all starts with the money. Consider a years development with about six people: 4 coders, 1 interface person and 1 prod mgr. that is all extra cash needed before any marketing and sales, then the cash will arrive. Maybe what can be done with bryce to make it more mainstream and continue the tradition is worth a new thread? Regards