AgentSmith, last night I had a look in the Maya forum and as usual with every forum there was a newbe there asking questions. Nothing unusual there I here you say, but the guys in the know all said they had started out with 3D in, go on guess which app, that's right little old Bryce. So there you go, from little acorns sprout mega oaks. 8) TA,DA...........what a great program to start out with too. Cat