Ok fair point there AS! - but equally, what DID CL do with Poser? - poser 4.03 was the last Metacreations version - then we had the ProPack plugin from CL, but then...5 - and that looks to have been a disaster really, so it's not like they took it a great deal further!? yes - C4D (IMO) has the most approachable interface to go with it's amazing toolset. Couple that with the fact that it's the fastest (and one of the nicest in it's league IMO) renderers, and you'll be away with the fairies! :)

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