I agree. In one Brycecamp alone we had people creating fish with terrains, cartoon characters with primitives, and even a working kaleidoscope. Bryce just totally invites all this experimentation from its friendliness and real feedback. I have Vue too and I agree the skies are amazing but the UI is very funky and the terrain editor just makes soft looking terrains regardless of the resolution. The texture editor is pretty good but doesn't have nearly the range of possibilites we have in the DTE. Vue will probably great a few versions from now. Vue has the advantage of being written when there was already modern architecture and this is the problem that john feld and others mentioned about Bryce. Underlying architecture is yet another reason why Bryce is so far behind of other apps using modern features - like MP threads and faster rendering schemes. The last total rewrite of Bryce was Bryce3 and that beta was a nightmare!!! - Scott