Sygnus, If that's the standard PT Vicky mesh and you'd be willing to give me some feed back and let me see some of your renders (in other words beta test them for me) I have shoes and a couple of different socks, see attached. They are only roughly texture mapped, baiscally just to change the colors but I really want to see what some one else can do with them... Let me know and I'll emai you the files (zipped for PC) as I don't have any web space to store them on at this time. Mike