Wow, Crash. Your English is excellent. I'd never have guessed it wasn't your first language. While I don't have a lot of time to cruise the galleries, I do agree that this forum has had a big hand in helping improve the Byrce renders. I love the way everyone here is willing to share how they do what they do. I probably wouldn't still be attempting to learn byrce if it weren't for here. There may be other places out there but this one is so great I'll never bother to look elsewhere. Ang