(You could whip Alias into a pulp for disagreeing with you-S). I think, after reading your reservations, that maybe a long term 'drop a little in the box' deal wouldn't work. HOWEVER, maybe a one time 'hold out the hand'. Then work on other ways to make this work. If we're all saying like a couple dollars a month, then maybe $30 or so on a one time basis--or whatever. HOWEVER, on the other hand, Kate the Screwy (couldn't help myself) is right--I contribute to NPR every year--they have a little fund drive and I KNOW if I and others don't support them, then off they go to the netherworld. I can't get by without them on a daily basis (and there are 3 in my neck of the woods, a classical, an alternative music, and a really interesting talk one that emanates from WAMU in DC) and I would hate to get by without Renderosity on a daily basis. Yes, territorialism is dreadful thing--watch birds chase each other around--bunches of little ones chasing a crow or jay--all us Dianes/Dianas could gang up on the Darths, for instance. A bloody mess if there ever was one. Still--maaaaaaaybe we could make it work without devolving into a bunch of 'I contributed and you didn't' war. Diane B (I'm thinking REAL hard what 'handle' I could come up with so youall can mess with me too LOL)