Ah thanks bunches I do like the idea of the flat square with the pompoms on them. (thanks about the texture it's the freebie at 3-D Arena this week - Fighting Irish) I never bought the DAZ costume disc - just didn't appeal to me at the time I should take another look. Will check out PhilC's too.

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