I'll second the motion. I just waded through this looonng thread and when I hit Reload it was gone. Prolly just as well; but I was denied the opportunity to Reply so I'll just toss it out here: STORM: Thank's. This wasn't an easy thread to get through and your comment is really kind of upbeat. I'm off to have a look at the Poser 5 wish list (and maybe add suface subdivision) Traveler: The part about blood made me sad. Sometimes brevity speaks volumes. Can you make a Barbie foot morph? =)