Right, les. I messed around with invisible figures, but with the pack I'm making, almost everything is in cr2 form, so people can't build a scene without some kind of figure open. This means it's a perfect way to make all my MATs (or SETs) for the props without adding invisible men. Scaling/rotation is a good option, but not one I'll need, and as for ERC, I'm trying to avoid it altogether. mac