I tried the Max demo (Gmax), created some Objects, but did not like the workflow. I also tried the Rhino Demo, created some more Objects (you can save 25 times with the demo, so one can do somthing usefull with it). I liked it much more than Max. It is very intuitve to work with and there are very good tutorials aroud. I allready had almost decided to buy it. But then I downloaded Wings and got compleatly addicted. It is a completly different way to model, but at least for me, it is much faster and easier than anything I tried before. To find you way into wings, you should read up a litle bit about box modelying concepts, but then it is a breeze. Stefan