Light Bulb BYS COMPLETELY made okham's approach click... whew. I just have to rotate the BOX on the y, and then let the sphere roll "around" it... like a tire on a wheel... the wheel turns left and right, the tire moves around. Is that right? (please say I finally got it.... unless I didn't.. hehe) OK, now I'm just gonna have to leave work early and try it :-) -RP