Pornographer!! You! Come off it! LOL Geez, genitals are a part of the body, regardless of the depressing American Victorian/Christian hangup about it. And of course women have external genitals, like you say, all the ones I ever saw did lol...... not as much dangly as guys but nevertheless :o) I am sometimes pornographic but mostly not, and I also like to see my women complete in Poser.... no need for opening up, just looking right. The moral-cramped DAZ thing with doing women who look like Barbie down there is just silly. But I disagree about the Mill genitals - sure they look OK just positioned right. They work fine even when not porno. You might need to add a bit of magnet power to get just what you want, but it's a lot better than none at all. And what's great is, they work fine with LoRes too. You're not ranting at ll, I think this is a perfectly valid point. I get so sick of all the moral police here who squeak about too much nudity, big boobs, squashed mouths, genital realism, NVIATWS, etc etc. I mean, let's all do our thing, whatever we want to use Poser for. And I adore Modigliani by the way. There's nothing more elegant and beautiful than a Modigliani nude. Used to have posters on my walls way back.... Degas nudes as well. :] Fish