Now that is clever..... But then I'd still be stuck having to learn a new app in order to do it. I was really hoping someone would know a source for clip-art that included intricate circular border designs. I plan to take the design into Bryce (in black and white) and apply it to a symetrical lattice to make it 3-d. I can just see it in my mind, with a gold reflection map applied once it's in Poser....sigh.