I have never had good luck using the poser ground in any version of poser. I have always needed to create ground or floor. I have used the squares, but more often, a very thin cube. The squares (mostly the one sided one) sometimes aren't visible while posing... so, the thin cube seemed to work better for me. (I agree with anyone who says we shouldn't need to resort to these silly tricks and techniques. Hehe). Good luck, Ericroy