Yup, meant Cleveland OH (though I think there is a Cleveland PA, which I don't know if it's on the path -- hell, there's an eyerything PA. There's a Denver PA even). Gas prices may be lower by the time we're on our way. Remember the last war with Iraq? Thanks for the support, all. Thgeisel, looks cool! Thanks for all the tips! Though I don't think anything will make the van feel lighter considering how much we'll have packed into it -- all my and Audrey's wordly posessions except those which we give away or bin in the next day, plus all of our animals, including a rather large constrictor. B^) We'll be packed pretty tighhtly (no one else seems to be grasping this, but once we pack the van it will be apparent and I'm sure some things will be unpacked and parted with finally)