oh great- i was the first to comment on that one "k- i believe you, super detail & color" the thumb was better & that's what drew me in, along with the color couldn't see how blurry the foreground actually was till i let it load & well, since i was there & took the trouble in the first place... it did have nice detail & color (trying to find it's good points) i knew you were a good photographer & chose to ignore the foreground & like bsteph said, it was hidden by the natural "smaller" framing of my viewer (i try to keep that in mind when i upload, that not everyone has large monitors) also, like "chelle", when you said you didn't put it there- i thought you were referring to the leaf, that it wasn't "set up" as for the "horrible ones", sometimes i can get downright nasty & have to delete the comment & try saying it nicer (i.e. that ugly butt) i feel if they're going to post trash in our gallery then they better be up for some straight out, tell like it is critiquing... & a couple of those ppl are now turning out some pretty decent art hey, i stand with 'chelle on this- "power in numbers" but from now on, i'll be tearing yours apart... jk :D anyway- i'm addicted to commenting... "Killroy was here"