Hi Allie, i think we dont even get rid of glowing nostrils using Maya, whatever the price is. Well i'm pretty much convinced that a poser model can look that good, but the rendering engine of poser just sucks. Maybe if it's rendered with bryce, and for the image above, there must be some softening filter applied i guess... i'd love to see vicky look that good i've tried morphing this and that and i never did succeed... this is really making me sick btw, i've noticed maya models having far less verticies than vicky does have in her face hat makes them easier to morph -Ede