I'm beginning to think the same way pakled. If Bryce gets changed beyond recognition then it won't be Bryce any more and if that's the case then I'd rather play with the Bryce I've got and go with Maya when I get it. I'm not looking for a new Bryce I'm looking for an updated Bryce, one that still has all the familliar characteristics I've come to know and love. Incarnadine here's the link : http://www.renderosity.com/messages.ez?Form.ShowMessage=1161488 Cat