Hey Rich, I agree. I have Maya and Lightwave and your arguement is a strong one. The + side to Poser is the learning curve is easy. Maya and Lightwave is an extremly long one. I have a lot of friends that are in the 3-d world who use Maya and Lightwave and they tell me that Poser "looks to Poser and you cannot customize it and Lightwave and maya is better stop wasteing your time" but I Love Poser. I bet if there was a huge movie or T.V. show were Poser was used and it looked good people would jump on the bandwagon and be like" Oh my gosh!!! we need Poser now every one do poser" and the developers would put more into it. I did an intro type movie for an idea named "Waterdogs" which was a comic book I created. www.markstef.com/waterdogs.html for the comic the 3-d movie is here http://www.markstef.com/wdmovie.html I like it seeing it was the the first animations I ever did. I thought it was successful, definetly could be better though. But right now I am working on a new one that is gonna blow that away. I was going to do a series of eight webisodes 3 minute each then make it a dvd and try selling it. I got all the characters designed backgrounds planes, weapons, etc....and ready to go. The amount of animations and painting backgrounds is killing me though. The new intro should be done by next week. I will post it when it is done. But I think your right people should get together and do something cool. Hey if we can get like four or five animators that would be cool. We can do a Waterdogs episode if anyone is intersted. It is a cross between Charlies Angels/James Bond/Danger Girl/La Femme Nikita/ and V.I.P...... (Don't mess with V.I.P.). Anyway hope ya dig the goods. Chat with ya later -Mark