its tough getting people to rally around another persons project when just about every one of those who would get involved would rather work on their own stuff. at least thats been my experience. ive worked on countless colaborations and the biggest bonus ive found is that, its best to settle on a project together. as a group. something new and fresh. rather than trying to get people to work on your project. (not you, cliff, just 'you' the reader in general) its hard to get people as hyped up and comited to a project they have not invested 'their' time into. i know i would feel like im accelerating someone elses work and ignoring my own. much like some of you, i too have my own production going on. i am essentially doing it myself but i do have support on some levels. i think if anyone interested in a colaborative effort, a broad paint stroke needs to happen first. ... like, concept... whats the idea?