What you have proposed here Doc sounds much more acceptable and having the Bryce editors as plugins would work just fine I think. As you say Bryce has a visual interface and as Pedrith said is good for simple people, but some people have problems with a complex wordy interface for reasons like dyslexia, and some of us simply have a visually inclined brain. My partner and I are planning on buying Maya soon so I wouldn't say I was scared of higher end apps, it's just that Bryce has always been a labour of love and it's ease of use keeps me coming back. It also works better than taking anti-depressants. 8) Cheers Cat