I don't think rendering in P5 is impossibe. If ya don't use cloth or hair the speed is acceptible (at least for me) after the latest patch. Then again I'm comparing that to Truespace 4 not the wonderful lightwave renderer :) More troublesome are the bugs that cause inconsistant performance and just plain bad stuff to happen. I'd probably pitch in on this if I wasn't so deeply invested in my current project. sorry. :)