Runwolf 13: Please read my posting again: I didn't say patriotism is bad. But this kind of patriotism I called "hurray-patriotism" is something very differant. It means the feeling of superiority or/and arrogance against others. Tell me what else it is when you denigrate a whole nation with pics called Iraqui resistance or others and you call this "humour" No, gebe, I don't think there is anything wrong with chris0815 sense for humour. Yesterday I've seen in television the faces of two american prisoners of war - childs, nearly grown up, not understanding what happens and seeing for the first time the dirty face of the war. This is reality, this is war, not the neat and clean face of war, those images I feel offended by, show us. Sorry, but I can't find anything glorious and wonderful in dying and fighting - and who else tells this is a lyer! Images showing a trivialized face of war are only good for propaganda purposes. Sorry - I'm German and we no better than other nations by bitter experience the way, this kind of advertising leads to! You call yourself a patriotic person, runwolf13. This is nothing bad as far as it means you love your country. (I love my country too without being blind for the faults of past and presence) But this becomes something really bad if you wan't to convince other people by armed force of your opinion. And the worst thing is to glorify killing and dying. No, I don't think propaganda is an acceptable kind of art.