I only have a few thing that Bryce would not be Bryce without, 1) the interface 2) the DTE 3) the light editor 4) the large, single, switch to whatever view screen The things Bryce would be better with, 1) faster render engine 2) ability to export models made from primatives including metas 3) more control over sky lab, sun, moon, planets, etc See that was so easy, don't think I'm asking for a lot. 8) Cat