OK lets go back. I dont like at all the way, this discussion goes. I never intended to start a political discussion my prime importance was to declare how I was disgusted by really primitive made images. Take a standard vue sunset sky, put one or three objects into the picture look for a name with actual importance and render it. Now you can be sure that there are some guys out there who cheer this work as a masterpiece of art. I dont believe this is the way the voting system of Renderosity was intended to work. Not the image is important in this moment, only the opinion those so called artists will spread. This is only propaganda, this is no art. There are a lot of serious artists here in the community who work hard to show us really good images no matter what the subject of the image is. I personally make no difference between the subjects I prefer and the subjects other artists choose. When I see the inspiration and the work they invested in their images, its ok for me. To say this clear to avoid more misunderstandings: If someone wants to show a triumphant American soldier on a mountain of Iraqi corps and he makes this with his heart this is ok for me no matter what my opinion is. The other way and we should not forget that there are a lot of serious artists from the Arabian world - its also ok when someone wants to show the same mountain with American corpses and a triumphant Iraqi soldier. This is my understanding of liberty in art but it must be art not only cheap propaganda. If you have a look on the last pieces in the vue galleries you see some really ugly examples. There is a statue of liberty floating over a terrain which is set without any recognizable reason over (!) a water plane. Now this is finished with a standard Vue sky and rendered. Completed is this composition with a really kitschy poem and then posted in Vue and surrealism. The only surrealism I can recognize is the inability of the artist to control the standard functions of Vue. He should learn much more about this program before he posts images. A friend of mine who was banned for seven days from Renderosity because he made a harsh comment to one of those images made a deleted comment to this thread. Because he cant do this at the moment, Ill show you some parts of his opinion: There is a large difference between making propaganda for love, peace and romance - or making propaganda for killing peoples in other countries. I have seen propaganda-images of this kind up to now, only in states with a totalitarian regime. Yes, I agree with you, propaganda can be a part of an art. But doing this needs much fine feeling and should be done by peoples with the basic knowledge and founded suitable training. Intelligent humans, who live outside of the USA, feel this kind of Patriotism as unnecessary and not worthy for the American population. I can only endorse this opinion lets go back to judging an image by his artistic worth and not for glorifying a dirty war! Dorothea