Richard Albri (My apologies if the spelling is incorrect) has the excellent Lava Bar over at DAZ and x2000 has the equally excellent bar over at the store on Poser Pros or Animotions. I don't, off hand, remember exactly what the prices are but I do know they are extremely reasonable. I just got the x2000 bar this week... still playing. Take care, be well, keep flying. casamerica (Please note: I am in no way affiliated with either vendor mentioned above or with the sites mentioned other than as a customer. I have received no monetary, in-kind or sexual favors for the above referrals.)