And another idea...what a day...each time I post anything I have ten ideas more in mind after clicking the post button. What about a cooperation for Bryce? Why must Corel sell Bryce? Why not create a new Bryce e.g. together with pandromeda/Doc Mojo and others? Why not have a Bryce Inc. owned by Corel and others? Create a rockstable baseapplication and work together to create all things like new lightlab, weatherlab and so on as plugins. So the first should be to define the basefunctions and the SDK/plugininterface. With that architecture we could have different renderers. The old Brycerenderer could be there in the baseapp with some speedups and more advanced renderers you could have as renderengineplugins. Same you could do with the actual lightlab, treelab and so on. The start would be a full usable Bryce basic with all the actual functionality and then you could say: want better renderer, want weatherlab, want more primitives, want mesheditor. No Problem then: You can have it all as plugins. And that way you can turn a Bryce Basic/home into a highend Bryce Pro step by step...if you want it. Thomas Why not hav