My point to the post above was that youngsters nowadays don't know how good they have it today. I've wanted to do CG art since I found out about computers (and play games of course :) ) but all we had back then were TRS-80 and such. My first color computer was a Commodore64 with a whopping 64k of memory! I thought I'd never be able to use all that memory when making a program (I programmed in Basic). But still no graphics programs to speak of. Then the Amiga 500 came out and we were up to 1 MB RAM and paint programs were coming out. Video Toaster was the 3D program but very expensive. Now we have Bryce for only $200 and I can now do what I've waited at least 20 years to do. As far as games go today, they have a lot of eye candy but very few have any real "meat" to them. I still love my 8-bit graphic games on my C64 (have to use an emulator now).