Thank-you Wolf for giving my day a miserable start. AS kromekat says "it just needs doing properly," and I get the impression from Doc Mojo that he and his team want to do it properly. Whereas with Corel, they are like Curious Labs, do it quickly, get it out there, make a few profits, make lots of mistakes, and to hell with the users. I have Poser 5 and I know what doesn't work and I think I wasted money buying it, and I wouldn't want that to happen to Bryce. Cat