thing is, charlie, that is EXACTLY the hours we are putting into it NOW :) could someone show me how to make a tired smile??? when we first stepped into the running of Renderosity, it was our intention and common knowledge to bring the user and companies together and had spoke with countless companies about taking part in the site to bring that about, while still leaving renderosity impartial and retaining creative control throughout. then the nasty feud broke out between forums, and it was everyone's wise business choice to stay clear of the OK Corral while the shooting went on.