Ah, that actually explains some of what I saw behind the scenes at the time then... I just wonder if things have calmed down enough to look into setting this up again? I know MC had a relationship with Willow directly, but that site seems to be avoiding MetaStream now as a protest against dumping software, and Zygote and Curious Labs MUST remain neutral, showing equal favor (or disfavor) to both sites to keep from setting off powderkegs, but what about Jasc, Adobe, Macromedia, Corel, etc.? Some of them should be willing to at least discuss such matters - especially since some of them have their "own" forums here! :-) (Tired smiley? Hmm. :O maybe (yawning)? I know I've seen one, but lost my smiley list ages ago...)