I got a lot more spame the moment my isp helpfully put in their new spam blocker-- the only good point and it is very very good, most goes immediatly to the trash. JohnRender, I don't know how he got porn messages without signing up with porn sites-- probably the same way I get Penis enlargement messages without ever having that art of the anatomy.:) Dear HeWhoWatches-- ,my that's a good name to do Poser with as so much of the time is spent watching the interface try to think, sounds to me like you have Poser 4 or Pro Pack , not Poser 5. Not with library probs. I hear there are some 3D apps that are not slow-- I don't know, I can't afford them. I can afford Bryce-- slower than geology-- I can afford Vue, faster but about as stable as Poser. Iwork almost completely out of poser 5-- on a good day, one I can give over to trying to be patient, I render completely in it. Very few freezes now. I do have to rearrange my dang libraries because everything as you mention is named by who did it-- NOT what it IS-- sorry have to scream once in awhile. I can access all my libraries now, I just can't find anything in the morass of names. Oh, you might want to pass on the Prozac, when taken in an aggresive state, one can get a bit more so, up to the point of jest a teensy bit homicidal. Again, I speak as knows. I liked the way I drove on Prozac, but no one wanted to ride with me.;) Emily