you'll love lightwave.<<< I worked with a previous version many years ago while employed elsewhere. There have been a few projects where the client really thought LW was the ONLY way to get the job done until shown what C4d could do. But LW has always held a certain place in my heart. ;-) >>>now even if they fix p5, you won't like it... but why?<<< After being lied to, betrayed and stabbed in the back one generally does not return for seconds. Anyway, in my opinion and I stress that this is just MY opinion, I do not believe Poser 5 to be reparable... and neither do I believe is CL's reputation. Again, just my opinion. Take care, be well, keep flying. casamerica